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AW: virus: atheistic mission - converting believers
« on: 2004-10-10 17:35:07 »
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<snip>I worked with a group that is trying to make rationality more
virulent. The problem is that rationality is rare, intense and seems very
cultish to the majority of people these days.</snip>

Exactly - the question is how to alter that impression of rationality.
Disguise it as something else!

Yes, it is urgent, but urgency creates pressure, and pressure creates
reactivity. It must trickle in slowly; at least, painlessly... The zeal in
the background for motivation, but self-restraint for success...

We need Trojans for rationality!

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<snip>Have you (Björn) left irrationality to embrace rationality due to the
comfy appeal of hard reason?</snip>

Well not exactly. Things were more complicated as is the usual case, having
to do with enculturation and certain accidental aspects (never forget to
consider the aleatoric! We're not so consistent as we like to believe...) -
it was no decision on the spot as your questions seems to imply.

But again, that's not what I propagate here: I am asking, which is the
psychologically most successful way of making the world more rational?
Censorship obviously isn't; burning books never does any good - at least if
you do not do it in secret and have absolute control over its being revealed
or not. The best bet would be subliminal cultural impulses - but there might
be more effective ways, such as good arguments.

Picture yourself standing in front of a supermarket, holding a rational
version of the "Watchtower" (what would be its name, I wonder?) and
distributing it to the moderately interestet... Ain't that an image
absolutely convincing?
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<snip>While folk have God at the helm they are his royal children with grand
purpose and unbounded love. Without that God they are in great danger of
seeing the self as little more than a lonely pilot of a stinking alimentary
canal.</snap>

Aye, I know 'tis true! I adressed this fundamentally ethical question
somewhere in this thread... The question is, do we see ourselves as "a
lonely pilot of a stinking alimentary canal"? Or is there not something more
appealing about our position? I wouldn't go as far as Dawkins, probably, and
talk about grandeur all over the place... but then again, there is something
to it. Can't we elaborate that, give it a memetically virulent polish and
write it on our banners?

Björn

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