On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, David Lucifer wrote:

> I agree with the sentiment, sun tzu. The extremists get more than their
> fair share of attention because they care about the issues more than the
> moderates do. It takes a lot of effort to be heard, and the extremists
> have the passion for motivation. I don't mean to seem pessimistic, but
> how can the moderates compete?

Just call all them extremists anti-semites.

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So a moderate can be anyone who is objective, rational, and scientific. In that case, there are many extremists, like me, who are also moderates.
No. What I mean is that a moderate respects others and their opinions.

This is an excellent example of how negroids are adopting
zionist tactics of taking everything that opposes them
as racially and religiously as possible, and then lynching
everything with the most extremist attitude of political
correctness, against which the moderate seem to have no defence
whatsoever.

http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm

Another excellent example to those who can't see the practice
visible in Bush policies (most americans).

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Jei wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, sun tzu wrote:
>
> >
> > So a moderate can be anyone who is objective, rational, and scientific.
> > In that case, there are many extremists, like me, who are also
> > moderates.  No. What I mean is that a moderate respects others and their
> > opinions.
>
> * If you wish to make people moderate, you need to motivate
> the non-moderates to moderacy: penalize and/or reward them.
>
> * If you wish to balance one sided dominating extremism to result
> in general consensus policy considered moderate, counterbalancing
> with equal and opposite extremism in addition should as work well.
>
> General success in the policies of president Bush, using these
> very same methods, serve as a very good example in the opposite:
> driving the moderates to support very extremist policies of their
> government. In general, this happens by questioning the patriotism
> or condemning the moderates for the lack of it. Some very nice
> examples of this exist for example in how vietnam veterans were
> ousted from U.S. congress for their lack of patriotism. It is
> really very efficient.
>
> 1) "You're either with us, or against us." (extremize the moderates)
> 2) "Are you an Al-Qaeda apologist/sympathizer?" (condemning the moderacy
>    for their moderate doings / moderate words)
> 3) Rewarding the loyal dogs with bones. (Blair with visits, money to
>    Berlusconi, Spain's president, other world leaders who support him.)
> 4) Punish those against
>
> Countering this would be:
>
> 1) extremize (bush = fascist lunacy, treat them as the minority)
> 2) condemn (you're not with us / american)
> 3) reward (with attention and thanks, if nothing else)
> 4) punish (with attention and verbal battering if nothing else)
>
> Another method used by Bush, is simply outright lying and disguising
> the extremist policies and operations as moderate to get the support
> needed, or simply hiding them from the public and conducting as
> much of them in secret as possible.
>
> Fascism, seeing how it has now taken over America, has usually
> only one end: banana-republication and general collapse to anarchy.
>
> Frankly, I don't think Bush is going to be ousted from power.
>
> The end for Bush dynasty is going to come through the slow economic
> collapse of the America and the rise of Asia to world power. Bush is
> going to be the dictator for a loong time in the banana republic of
> his very own making.
>
> Some helpful definitions:
>
> moderate:
>
> 5 definitions found
>
> From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
>
>  Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, n. (Eccl. Hist.)
>      One of a party in the Church of Scotland in the 18th century,
>      and part of the 19th, professing moderation in matters of
>      church government, in discipline, and in doctrine.
>
> From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
>
>  Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Moderated}; p. pr. &
>      vb. n. {Moderating}.]
>      1. To restrain from excess of any kind; to reduce from a
>        state of violence, intensity, or excess; to keep within
>        bounds; to make temperate; to lessen; to allay; to
>        repress; to temper; to qualify; as, to moderate rage,
>        action, desires, etc.; to moderate heat or wind.
>
>              By its astringent quality, it moderates the relaxing
>              quality of warm water.                --Arbuthnot.
>
>              To moderate stiff minds disposed to strive.
>                                                    --Spenser.
>
>      2. To preside over, direct, or regulate, as a public meeting;
>        as, to moderate a synod.
>
> From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
>
>  Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, a. [L. moderatus, p. p. of moderate,
>      moderati, to moderate, regulate, control, fr. modus measure.
>      See {Mode}.]
>      Kept within due bounds; observing reasonable limits; not
>      excessive, extreme, violent, or rigorous; limited;
>      restrained; as:
>      (a) Limited in quantity; sparing; temperate; frugal; as,
>          moderate in eating or drinking; a moderate table.
>      (b) Limited in degree of activity, energy, or excitement;
>          reasonable; calm; slow; as, moderate language; moderate
>          endeavors.
>      (c) Not extreme in opinion, in partisanship, and the like;
>          as, a moderate Calvinist.
>
>                A number of moderate members managed . . . to
>                obtain a majority in a thin house.  --Swift.
>      (d) Not violent or rigorous; temperate; mild; gentle; as, a
>          moderate winter. ``Moderate showers.'' --Walter.
>      (e) Limited as to degree of progress; as, to travel at
>          moderate speed.
>      (f) Limited as to the degree in which a quality, principle,
>          or faculty appears; as, an infusion of moderate strength;
>          a man of moderate abilities.
>      (g) Limited in scope or effects; as, a reformation of a
>          moderate kind. --Hooker.
>
> From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
>
>  Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, v. i.
>      1. To become less violent, severe, rigorous, or intense; as,
>        the wind has moderated.
>
>      2. To preside as a moderator.
>
>              Dr. Barlow [was] engaged . . . to moderate for him
>              in the divinity disputation.          --Bp. Barlow's
>                                                    Remains
>                                                    (1693).
>
> From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:
>
>  moderate
>        adj 1: being within reasonable or average limits; not excessive or
>              extreme; "moderate prices"; "a moderate income"; "a
>              moderate fine"; "moderate demands"; "a moderate
>              estimate"; "a moderate eater"; "moderate success"; "a
>              kitchen of moderate size"; "the X-ray showed moderate
>              enlargement of the heart" [ant: {immoderate}]
>        2: not extreme; "a moderate penalty"; "temperate in his
>          response to criticism" [syn: {temperate}]
>        3: marked by avoidance of extravagance or extremes; "moderate
>          in his demands"; "restrained in his response" [syn: {restrained}]
>        n : a person who takes a position in the political center [syn:
>            {centrist}, {middle of the roader}, {moderationist}]
>        v 1: preside over; "John moderated the discussion" [syn: {chair},
>              {lead}]
>        2: make less fast or intense; "moderate your speed"
>        3: lessen the intensity of; temper; hold in restraint; hold or
>          keep within limits; "moderate your alcohol intake"; "hold
>          your tongue"; "hold your temper"; "control your anger"
>          [syn: {control}, {hold in}, {hold}, {contain}, {check}, {curb}]
>        4: make less severe or harsh; "He moderated his tone when the
>          students burst out in tears" [syn: {mince}, {soften}]
>        5: make less strong or intense; soften; "Tone down that
>          aggressive letter"; "The author finally tamed some of his
>          potentially offensive statements" [syn: {tone down}, {tame}]
>        6: restrain or temper [syn: {chasten}, {temper}]
>
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