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Re:virus: Happy Halloween
« Reply #1 on: 2003-11-01 07:10:59 » |
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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2003-10-31 13:14:07
This link raises a point that has disturbed me for as long as I can remember.
It is more important in Christianity to submit to God than it is to minimize your sinfulness.
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Re:virus: Happy Halloween
« Reply #2 on: 2003-11-01 13:40:53 » |
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Quote from: prometheus on 2003-11-01 07:10:59
It is more important in Christianity to submit to God than it is to minimize your sinfulness.
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[Lucifer] Isn't submitting to God the same as minimizing your sinfulness theoretically? If not, how do they differ?
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RE: virus: Happy Halloween
« Reply #3 on: 2003-11-01 15:07:00 » |
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David Lucifer
> Sent: 01 November 2003 2041
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re:virus: Happy Halloween
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> [quote from: prometheus on 2003-11-01 at 05:10:59]
> It is more important in Christianity to submit to God than it is to
> minimize your sinfulness.
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> [Lucifer] Isn't submitting to God the same as minimizing your
sinfulness
> theoretically? If not, how do they differ?
[Blunderov]
I think it means that you can do pretty much whatever you like as long
as you're sorry on Sunday. There's a lot of it about.
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Re:virus: Happy Halloween
« Reply #4 on: 2003-11-01 21:43:19 » |
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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2003-11-01 13:40:53
Quote from: prometheus on 2003-11-01 07:10:59
It is more important in Christianity to submit to God than it is to minimize your sinfulness.
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[Lucifer] Isn't submitting to God the same as minimizing your sinfulness theoretically? If not, how do they differ?
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It was explained to me like this by a person who was trying to save my soul.
We are all sinners. It does not matter if you lived as a serial killer or lived in accordance with Christian principles.
If you do not submit to God in the sense of recognizing his dominion over you then you do not go to Heaven. The quantity of sinning in a life does not matter just the quality of recognizing Jesus as your saviour and begging forgiveness. It also does not matter how many time you return to sin as long as you are repent and are sincere when you do so.
I have trouble with the concept that the magnitude of one's sins is irrelevant.
It does not seem to be fair nor reasonable.
By this (il)logic someone who has not been exposed to Christianity but never actively commits a "sin" in the Christian sense is damned while the pentinent serial killer is forgiven.
It seems to be a selection for somethin other than good behaviour.
Prometheus.
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RE: virus: Happy Halloween
« Reply #5 on: 2003-11-02 03:20:19 » |
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> Sent: 02 November 2003 0443
> It seems to be a selection for somethin other than good behaviour.
[Blunderov]
I think this is the major contribution of that 'Spouter of Lies' (aka
St. Paul) to Christianity. (I have lots of fun telling Christians that
they're not Christians at all but 'Paulians'.)
According to the Law of Moses, not 'one jot or tittle' of which did
Jesus, in his own words, come to alter - you have to behave yourself in
order to gain salvation.
'Paulian heresy' googles quite well if you want to descend into the
murky depths of Christian theology.
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RE: virus: Happy Halloween
« Reply #6 on: 2003-11-02 04:01:28 » |
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prometheus
> Sent: 02 November 2003 0443
> [quote from: David on 2003-11-01 at 11:40:53]
> [quote from: prometheus on 2003-11-01 at 05:10:59]
> It is more important in Christianity to submit to God than it is to
> minimize your sinfulness.
>
> [Lucifer] Isn't submitting to God the same as minimizing your
sinfulness
> theoretically? If not, how do they differ?
>
> It was explained to me like this by a person who was trying to save my
> soul.
>
> We are all sinners. It does not matter if you lived as a serial killer
or
> lived in accordance with Christian principles.
>
> If you do not submit to God in the sense of recognizing his dominion
over
> you then you do not go to Heaven. The quantity of sinning in a life
does
> not matter just the quality of recognizing Jesus as your saviour and
> begging forgiveness. It also does not matter how many time you return
to
> sin as long as you are repent and are sincere when you do so.
>
> I have trouble with the concept that the magnitude of one's sins is
> irrelevant.
> It does not seem to be fair nor reasonable.
> By this (il)logic someone who has not been exposed to Christianity but
> never actively commits a "sin" in the Christian sense is damned while
the
> pentinent serial killer is forgiven.
>
> It seems to be a selection for somethin other than good behaviour.
>
> Prometheus.
[Blunderov]
Getting into heaven is a lot less difficult than might at first be
imagined. The following makes stark reading.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/christ_foa.htm
<q>
VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN
Atonement Theory
Serbs claim they are going directly to Heaven, this is based on the
teachings of Paul who wrote Jesus's blood cleansed all past, present,
and future sins [even as they kill and rape innocent people on Easter].
We witnessed over the centuries the negative effects of this theory of
atonement as we witness it's ungodly effects today.
With these Christians under the assumption that they are saved on faith
alone regardless of their horrid actions, in the case of the Serbs
[rape, genocide, looting], you have atrocities repeating themselves
through out history, with it's root in the Christian atonement theory.
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church
authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List
incomplete)
</q.>
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