From: Jei (jei@cc.hut.fi)
Date: Fri May 07 2004 - 07:30:35 MDT
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Kalkor wrote:
> [Kalkor]
>
> I would also like anyone who feels they are able, to point out some war
> throughout history that meets these two qualifications:
>
> 1) People killed each other
> 2) No one was tortured, not even for information
Can't think of any, but I'm not a historian..
> I am of the opinion that the use of torture, having survived so many
> succesful and failed conquests and conflicts, has been proven to be an
> effective tool for waging war. Regardless of the arguments for and against
> the need for war, or the circumstances under which it should (or shouldn't)
> be waged, I think it is paramount to realize that when something ends up
> being done, it should be done with the greatest efficacy and efficiency. And
> that means use the tools that are tested, proven, tried-and-true, while
> seeking and testing other tools. So it should be in war.
>
> Hopefully, we'll outgrow wholesale slaughter as our species grows "smarter"
> or creates something that does. Until then, using war as a tool to achieve
> an end is an accepted strategy, and using torture to wage war is another
> good gamble. More power to those soldiers being shot at, who are using the
> tools we've taught them in high school and college, to build group
> solidarity and harden themselves to the idea that, for UT reasons, they may
> have to kill another human being.
Yeah, all hail US troops doing a swell honest job torturing Iraqis and
conquering US more oil fields. Efficiency in all things and that.
But wait, what is the US president saying? - He says they're not
doing it. And so does his pal Tony Blair. - Now, I'm at a loss.
- What I'd really like to do away with is the lies. People like
Joe Dees buy into that shit they say and get stuck too deeply to
think straight.
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