From: rhinoceros (rhinoceros@freemail.gr)
Date: Fri May 21 2004 - 06:39:23 MDT
[Joe Dees]
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Since Saddam Hussein killed, on average, 100,000 of his citizens a year for 21 years, and since the US military has killed about 10,000 Iraqis in a year (mainly the ones who were formerly employed in killing the 100,000 per year), there are at least 90,000 Iraqis who are alive today who would be dead and rotting in Saddam's mass graves if the US had not gone in and deposed him.
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[Blundrov]
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I am not interested in your body counts. It is, as I find myself forced to repeat, an irrelevant thesis.
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[rhinoceros]
No, I think this is interesting. I had another discussion with Joe in the Politics section of the BBS a couple of months ago. To make this 100,000 per year number Joe had to add, among other things:
- The children who died of malnutrition and diarrhea in all the years of the UN sunctions.
- The results of all the wars Iraq has been involved in, probably the wars with tha USA too. An intersting question is why Joe starts from 1983 (21 years). Why not 21 or 22 or 23 years? Apparently he wanted to include the Iraq-Inaq war (1980-1988) starting from a point when the casualties per year were high enough. Incidentaly, that year was also special for another reason:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg
"Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983"
[rhinoceros]
I won't burden you by pasting the lengthy document associated with that picture, which is dotted with links to official documents of the Reagan era. Here it is:
The National Security Archive
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
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