Re: virus: The Rumsfeld wriggle.

From: Erik Aronesty (erik@zoneedit.com)
Date: Wed May 19 2004 - 20:44:43 MDT

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    Those who are ill-equipped to fight conventionally must resort to unconventional warfare. Just like we did in the revolutionary war.

    Those who are native to the country can easily claim moral high ground.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
    Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:18:27
    To:<virus@lucifer.com>
    Subject: RE: virus: The Rumsfeld wriggle.

     

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    From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
    Mermaid
    Sent: 19 May 2004 09:15
    To: virus@lucifer.com
    Subject: RE: virus: The Rumsfeld wriggle.

    [quote from: Jonathan on 2004-05-18 at 05:30:48]

    Firstly in this war they have never been protected by the conventions anyway
    because the enemy simply did not operate under their constrictions.

    I dont understand why you are labelling the American troops as terrorists.
    Granted that they are kinda pushing the boundries of decency and humanity,
    but that doesnt mean that they cannot learn!!

    [JD]White flags used as tactical ruses and the beating (and murder) of
    captives was and is routine. These breaches have not been disavowed by the
    enemy leadership nor were they exceptional.

    [Mermaid]Thats right! Misuse the White flag and have a wire stuck up your
    testicles!!

    [JD 2] Yes. You can lose the protections of the conventions if you breach
    them. I do not think anyone was getting their balls shocked by US troops. It
    appears they were getting threatened with torture & roughed up, not directly
    tortured.

    [JD]This cannot be said of the US breaches which have been exposed,
    denounced and the miscreants are in the process of being punished.

    [Mermaid]Punished by those who exposed the 'breaches'? Or punished by the
    miscreant themself? e.g. jerry sivets get one year in prison for taking the
    pictures of the most famous prisoner abuse case(many have gone unreported in
    popular media) and for repeating under orders that the abuse was not
    conducted with full military permission, if not instructions.

    [JD 2] Wrongdoing punished with the intention of preventing it happening
    again.

    [JD]Can anyone show me where the current Insurgents have signed up? Can
    anyone show me where they have ever respected these conventions?

    [Mermaid]Imagine a burglar breaks into your house, steals all your stuff,
    tries to kill you, rape your wife and daughters, passes electricity through
    your penis and screams bloody murder when you hit him with a stick. His
    accomplice mumbles that you are not acting acc to the law.

    [JD 2] And the awards for purple prose and false analogy go
    to....MERMAID!!!!! Given what I wrote in the "Rumsfeld Wiggle" thread, is
    this not plagiarism?

    "Seems to me a bit like saying to a guy obeying Queensbury rules in a boxing
    match "Uh oh, one of your punches landed low, your opponents gloves are
    coming off!" whilst his opponent has been wearing knuckdusters and kicking
    for the groin all along."

    Flattery or tactical reflection or great minds thinking alike (albeit from
    opposite sides of this issue)?

    Regards

    JD 

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