RE: virus: Parmenides and the problem of abstract and concrete.

From: Blunderov (squooker@mweb.co.za)
Date: Sat Mar 27 2004 - 03:57:14 MST

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    [Blunderov]
    I think it was Parmenides who formalized the rule that 'nothing comes
    from nothing' (ex nihilo nihil fit). IM(V)HO Plato may have
    misunderstood Parmenides argument when he said (if I recall correctly)
    that this must imply that nothing could change; my understanding of
    Parmenides is that he said everything that exists, has always existed. I
    do not understand him to mean that 'existence' is synonymous with
    'form'.

    The thought strikes me that 'nothing comes from nothing' may offer a
    litmus-test in the problem of how to discriminate between abstract and
    concrete. How about the proposition that: if a thing can be described as
    having the ability to increase without this increase being at the
    expense of some other thing, then that concept is an abstract concept?

    For instance is it possible that we can imagine more 'love' in the world
    without it being at the expense of something else? Quite easily it seems
    to me. Abstract.

    Likewise with 'information'.

    Conversely, is it possible to imagine more chairs in the world without
    them being at the expense of some other thing. Well, no. Concrete.

    I ran into a bit of a difficulty with 'chastity'. I'm not too sure
    whether chastity wouldn't be at the expense of 'sex' and vice versa,
    although I suspect that this may not be necessarily true. I can't make
    up my mind as to whether this falsifies my notion or not.

    (Much more likely is that I have overlooked some completely obvious
    falsification.)

    Any thoughts?

    Best Regards

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