From: Jei (jei@cc.hut.fi)
Date: Thu Dec 18 2003 - 08:23:10 MST
None the less it is here and it will deal with the population
explosion together with SARS, Hepatitis-C, etc. Nature's response.
Humans *will* decline in numbers dramatically.
Look up numbers of human population evolution and look at the
numbers of any other mammal population on this planet. You will
see a nice zig-zag sine-wave.
Whether 10-50 years from now, decline is inevitable.
When you enclose rats in a small cage and increase their numbers,
soon they start going crazy and killing each other.
Another decline enhancing factor easily observed besides disease
and war, is pollution. Micro-organisms run out of resources or
flat out poison their environments with their own waste. So do
humans. Losing the ozone layer, environment pollution, DU, etc..
small contributions, but in the long term might make our lives
as large populations impossible...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Dr Sebby wrote:
> Bluderov, i couldnt agree with you more. the conspiracy idea is sooooooo
> outrageously silly that it barely need mention. the proof is simply that
> the HIV virus is sooooo sneaky...there is about negative zero probability
> that the powers that were couldve even come close to 'designing' such an
> organism. if they were capable of that, it wouldve been easier to design a
> MUCH more targeted virus. anyways, it's so silly, that it's truly not worth
> discussing.
>
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Blunderov" <squooker@mweb.co.za>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Subject: RE: virus: DESIGNER DISEASES - AIDS as Biological & Psychological
> Warfare
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:11:01 +0200
>
> [Blunderov]
> I'm skeptical of these claims. The following article suggests that the
> zoonosis of the HIV virus predates any (possible) US military interest
> in synthesising such an entity. Which is not to say that it could not
> have been, once discovered, incorporated into biochem warfare research
> programs.
> But deliberately created? Hmm.
> Best Regards
>
> <q>
> (SFE) Oldest AIDS case found; Scientists say 1959 blood sample contains
> virus
>
> The San Francisco Examiner; February, 3, 1998
> Lisa M. Krieger, Examiner Medical Writer
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> Scientists have pinpointed what is believed to be the earliest known
> case of AIDS, a discovery that suggests that the multitude of global
> AIDS viruses all shared a common African ancestor only 40 or 50 years
> ago.
> While the modern world rocked to Elvis Presley and Chuck Berry, an
> African tribesman died of a mysterious disease in 1959 in a clinic in
> Leopoldville, Belgian Congo - what is now Kinshasa, Republic of Congo,
> Dr. Toufu Zhu of the University of Washington in Seattle reports in the
> Feb. 5 issue of the journal Nature.
>
> "This is to date the oldest known HIV case," Dr. David Ho, head of the
> Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center at Rockefeller University and a
> co-author of the study, said Tuesday at the Fifth Conference on
> Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Chicago, where the study
> was presented.
>
> The African man was not the world's first AIDS case, scientists add, but
> probably became infected within 10 years of the introduction of the
> virus into humans from chimpanzees.
>
> The African man had first turned up at the clinic with symptoms somewhat
> resembling sickle cell anemia. Doctors kept samples of his blood - and
> decades later, Ho's team carefully analyzed it.
>
> The genetic analysis of the blood shows clear signs of the AIDS virus.
>
> Genesis in '40s or '50s
>
> Because scientists know the steady rate at which HIV mutates, they can
> calculate backward and conclude that the virus probably jumped species
> sometime in the 1940s or early '50s.
>
> The scientists compared the genes from the old sample of HIV with those
> carried by current versions of HIV, which have infected more than 40
> million people worldwide.
>
> "We realized that if we had an old sequence" of HIV genes, "it would
> serve as a yardstick to measure the evolution of the current HIV," Ho
> said.
>
> HIV has mutated over the years to form 10 distinct subtypes, lettered A
> through J. One of these, subtype B, is the dominant strain in the United
> States and Europe, while subtype D is most common in Africa.
>
> The family tree of HIV looks like a bush with the various subtypes
> forming the limbs.
>
> Ho said the 1959 HIV is near the trunk, around the point where subtypes
> B and D branch off. This suggests that HIV could not have existed for
> many years before 1959.
>
> "This is no doubt an ancestor to B and D," he said.
>
> One big crossover
>
> The "Big Bang" radiation in HIV types suggests that all the current
> strains of the AIDS virus evolved from a single introduction of HIV into
> people, rather than from many crossovers from animals to humans, as some
> have speculated.
>
> Of several suspect samples taken from Africa, this was the only one
> positively shown to be infected with HIV, they said.
>
> The virus in the sample had degraded, but the scientists were able to
> isolate four small fragments of two viral genes. One gene holds
> instructions for assembling the outer coat of the virus, while the other
> is code for one of the proteins the virus needs to reproduce. The early
> genetic snapshot of HIV may allow experts to predict how the virus will
> evolve over the next 10 or 15 years.
> </q>
>
>
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