From: LhyR of Chaos (nimbustheme@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 17 2003 - 14:15:17 MDT
yes, that is precisely what the big bang theory argues, but in recent years
stephen hawking has been striving to get people to stop using the big bang
theory as a model for how all things came to be. he realized that it is too
simple of an answer, or rather, that his theory (while a pretty good one)
was wrong: the big bang was not the source of all things in reality, just
the source for a lot of it. it does not explain the presence of dark
matter, as just one example.
yes it would be a breach in logic to require proof of a negative, but given
the particular way i view "god", i have my proof. you who are reading this
agree with me that we are real, correct? you live and act and work and play
in the real world, right? breathe, sleep, fuck, eat, and shit, just like
everything else in reality.
this is my proof there is a god: reality exists. the fact that reality does
exist can be backed up by empirical data. i'm not trying to support any one
god from a preexisting religion.
the catch is that the god i believe exists is a completely irrelevent
entity: as it does nothing ....with the exception of disprocing its own
existance to atheists and would-be believers by use of logic models.
okay. here is a mathmatical paradox to disprove my former statement that
something cannot come from nothing (hypocrisy, i know, but i'm working on
untangling this knot in my head)
zero to the power of itself equals one. i have been flunked from an
advanced math class in high school for explaining the principle of this to
my fellow students. anything to the power of zero equals one, because
*something* was calculated, even though it was infinitely minute. it is
easier to say one than an infinitely small unit of one. as something is
calculated when zero is taken to the power of itself, the same infinetly
small unit occurs. zero can be made to generate one.
then again, as zero IS, it could be argued that zero isn't nothing. but it
is a representation of nothing, since it is a representation and not the
nothing itself, it is something already, just waiting to be turned into
something else (one).
then again, perhaps the thing i am thinking about (the lump of energy at the
begining and end of time, the alpha and the omega) is so far removed from
the standard preconcepts of what a god is that it is hopeless to try and
argue its existance. i do not worship anything as i feel such acticities
are blasphome, but i do consider every moment of my existance to be part of
a religious journey. my only hope is that i can get this thru...
>From: aperick@centurytel.net
>Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
>To: <virus@lucifer.com>
>Subject: virus: NOT god proofs, something from 'nothing'
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:42:12 -0700
>
>Firstly: does not the current big bang theory have all time, space and E
>springing forth from a dimensionless point, a virtual particle? Is this not
>virtually nothing? Lots O somthin from virtually nothing.
>
>Secondly: is it not a breach of logic to require proof of a negative? The
>only proof one will ever have for the non-existence of a thing is a
>complete
>lack of evidence for the existence of that thing. There exists no
>verifiable
>evidence for the existence of any sort of God, and that is all the evidence
>that one can expect in the way of proving God's non-existence. I really
>suggest reading http://home.centurytel.net/rickw/aon.htm as it is very
>entertaining as well as educational.
>
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