From: Blunderov (squooker@mweb.co.za)
Date: Wed Sep 03 2003 - 14:57:47 MDT
> [Jonathan 1] This appears to be a handy cop out. "Before" refers to
> time/space and since time/space only started at Big Bang, there can be
no
> "before" Big Bang. Only that is the very problem: From whence/what
comes
> space/time?
<snip>
Burnt Norton
TS Eliot
Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.
What might have been is an abstraction
Remaining a perpetual possibility
Only in a world of speculation.
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.
Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind.
But to what purpose
Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves
I do not know...
...Or say that the end precedes the beginning,
And the end and the beginning were always there
Before the beginning and after the end,
And all is always now. Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
Will not stay still.
</snip>
Recordings of 'Burnt Norton' and 'The Lovesong of J. Alfred Prufrock',
read by TS Eliot himself, can be downloaded free at
http://digilander.libero.it/ccalbatross/download/eliot.htm
(I am trying to find a free download of 'The Wasteland' but so far no
success.)
Best Regards
Blunderov
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