From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun Aug 17 2003 - 16:02:59 MDT
> I submit that you are wrong in that this is not an insult to you, your
> mother, your family, or your pets but rather a criticism of your
> behavior on this list. You may very well be a fine person when you
> aren't acting like Dick Cheney's memebot. I accept your repasting
> again (since you seem incapable of making any sense on your own today)
> for completeness the first part of your originally pasted unoriginal
> quote. The full inspired passage from your new hero goes like this.
>
Reread the quote. It was indeed prophetic concerning the recent
Northeastern power outage, and I submit that pointing it out does not
qualify me as a memebot, although insisting that no words from a
certain person with which one disagrees, however true, should be
posted on the list does suspiciously indicate the presence of dogmatic
and prejudiced memetic filters. I never did indicate that Cheney was my
hero; merely that his words were indeed prophetic. I can put my own
words in my mouth, thankyouverymuch, with no need of slanted
assistance from you.
>
> "The report we issued last month presented more than 100
> recommendations covering virtually the entire range of concerns
> that face the American people. One of the concerns, obviously, is the
> aging power grid the growing problem that we have in getting
> electricity from the power plant to the light switch. It's clear that
> we must upgrade and expand the power grid. If we put more connections
> in place, we'll go a long way towards avoiding future blackouts.
> Another broad aim is to increase energy supplies from diverse sources;
> from oil and gas, renewables, coal, hydro and nuclear. This is the
> kind of balanced approach we think is essential if we're going to meet
> the country's energy needs down the road and take care of many of our
> other concerns,ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE ENVIRONMENT"." -- Vice
> President Dick Cheney, U.S. Energy Association Efficiency Forum
> Washington, D.C., June 13, 2001
>
> ---
>
> the caps emphasis was my own to point outsome hypocrisy which you seem
> to be avoiding. I know that criticizing your new hero can seem painful
> to you Joe, but the sheriff can't protect you on that one, and I
> assume he probably tell the difference.If you act like a memebot, and
> we can't point out instances where you do so, then the entire CoV
> lexicon is truly meaningless, and I can't imagine that anyone relevant
> to the decision to create intended the sheriff's position to operate
> this way.
>
But I have not been acting as Cheney's memebot, or as anyone else's;
this conclusion of yours is totally bereft of merit, regardless of whether
you can garner support from the likeminded for the maintainence of this
or any other slanderous lie. And to slanderously lie about someone is
by definition an insult.
>
> If you can't play the game honestly, maybe you should
> try quitting, Joe. For your own mentalhealth if nothing else. You
> obviously seem incapable of engaging in any meaningful debate.
>
You actually seem incapable of engaging in any debate that does not
involve omission, mischaracterization and ad hominem. Such list
behavior is indeed violating the rules of the game, as set down by
Sheriff David. I have not engaged in any insults or derogation against
any other list member since the law was laid down, but you and Hermit
seem intent upon pushing the envelope until you split it open. The Law
must ne the Same for All; a double standard in its application renders it
totally ineffective. If you cannot bring yourself to post without violating
the list rules, perhaps it is YOU who should consider quitting.
>
> In any
> case, if I really am insulting you (as you imagine), I invite you to
> ignore me and not respond, especially on the public list, as this only
> makes problems worse. You seem to have a really ugly experiences with
> this problem.&nb! sp; Didn't your mother ever teach you not to run
> with scissors, and other good lessons like that? I'm sure she did, you
> probably just didn't really listen. It's never too late to learn, Joe.
> Good luck.
>
Once again you insult me, and with no good reason that I can ascertain.
You need to get hold of yourself, Jake, or else the Sheriff needs to get
hold of you.
>
> Love,
>
> -Jake
>
> Joe whined:
>
Jos truthfully pointed out. The epithet of 'whining' is just another insult
meant to intimidate people from using the Law to end list bullying. I
sincerely hope out Sheriff does not allow it to so function.
>
> I submit this post by Jake Sapiens as an example of an insult to me
> personally (re: memebot), the kind of thing that our new sheriff
> supposedly forbade.I also note that the section that specifically had
> to do with power grids, namely "One of the concerns, obviously, is the
> aging power grid; the growing problem that we have in getting
> electricity from the power plant to the light switch.It's clear that
> we must upgrade and expand the power grid.If we put more connections
> in place, we'll go a long way towarfs avoiding future blackouts.", was
> cut, and then the charge came that the comments Cheney made had
> nothing to do with power grids, even those that were deleted directly
> addressed them. > > > Joe Dees shared the following: > > > > "Another
> broad aim is to increase energy supplies from diverse > > sources;
> from oil and gas, renewables, coal, hydro and nuclear. This > > is the
> kind of balanced approach we think is essential if we're > > going to
> meet the country's energy needs down the road and take care > > of
> many of our other concerns, especially with respect to the > >
> environment." -- Vice President Dick Cheney, U.S. Energy Association >
> > Efficiency Forum Washington, D.C., June 13, 2001" > > > > A really
> entertaining piece of hypocrisy.How interesting to see that > > you
> value this Virian sin in your so-called "prophet", Joe. Do you > >
> have any more examples of this kind of banal sinful behavior which > >
> you want to offer for the heroic charge it imbues you with?Feel free >
> > to keep to yourself next time. > > > [Joe2] Actually, I made no
> comment upon Cheney's connections with > Halliburton, but I do note
> that a veterinarian would not be in a > position of knowledge with
> respect to power grids, and further note > that not only dod Cheney
> predict the problems that the northeast power > grid recently
> suffered, but also if the private companies who own it > had followed
> his advice and built better safeguards and redundancy > into the
> system, the entire travesty might well have been averted. > > [Jake2]
> Actually you ONLY commented on Cheney as a prophet (re subj >
> line)when you shared this. The rest of it was a simple cut and paste,
> > as you rarely speak or write for yourself competently much anymore >
> these days. And the above excerpt had nothing to do with power grids.
> > Keep up with the conversation, Joe. I'm tired talking to the new >
> memebot-Joe. Cheney didn't exactly invite any environmentalists to his
> > secret smoked filled room meetings right before he and his >
> Enronfriends decided to fuck up the west coast power for his personal
> > financial gain. (hypocrisy) But Ken Lay was certainly very welcome.
> So > does this man speak for you now, Joe? A prophet . . . I see. You
> must > volunteer for minionhood rather easily. I suppose you can join
> Ken Lay > and his other disciples, and start a real religious crusade
> to put the > whole country (minus Texas) in the dark. There could be
> some real > money in that kind of p! iracy. I hear that a lot of
> former Arthur > Anderson employees can helpy'all with the accounting.
> They don't seem > to be good for any other kind of honest accounting
> these days and can > probably use the work, criminal though it may be.
> Whatever sort of > expertise Cheney may have in power grids, he
> obviously hasn't > exercised it to actually create anything
> worthwhile, except to show > that he is capable of turning off the
> power when he really wants to > leave liberals whowill never vote for
> him in the dark. Maybe if > Florida doesn't look like it is going
> their way in the next election, > they can turn off the power there
> too, just in casethose aging > Floridianscan't get with new
> authoritarian program. > > > > > Love, > > > > -Jake > > > > > >
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
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