From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Aug 07 2003 - 12:54:35 MDT
From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: virus: The partial mind on the CoV and its fate
Date sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:01:09 +0100
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> Dear Fellows,
>
> Please may I request a community vote on just one act of minor
> censorship - that for now Hermit, Bill and Joe (and any other
> combatants) not be permitted to communicate with each other directly
> (on the list or BBS) for one month. Instead, all communications must
> be made via a second or a nominated referee. This will allow those not
> emotionally and hormonally involved to extract poison and the erase
> the scars of bad faith from otherwise superb posts.
>
> I have another suggestion: A five person team, Joe and Hermit plus two
> other (one person chosen by each) and David. This taskforce's job will
> be to restate our Virion fundamentals - the basic principles upon
> which we ALL agree - and to present them as a framework through which
> we can refract meaning and truth so we can have one voice and one
> church.
>
The only problem I see with this is how both the first and the second
suggestion could be simultaneouly implemented, since the second
seems to require precisely the type of communication which the first
expressly forbids.
>
> I am essentially asking these most brilliant men to begin the process
> of writing our church's dogma. "Dogma!" I hear you bark indignantly,
> "not here, we are not THAT sort of church."
>
> I simply mean a code of beliefs accepted as authoritative, not a code
> of beliefs proclaimed as true without proof.
>
> Can I also ask my friends on who are hurting (or at least apparently
> trying to hurt each other) - Hermit, Joe and Bill - how is it possible
> for me to actively like and respect all of you when theoretically I
> should have taken sides long ago? I fully accept your most vicious
> outbursts and still retain my respect for you. Why?
>
> Because *despite* you are all right to fight and argue for this thing
> you love. You are all right to defend yourselves, your fellows, your
> beliefs and the truth.
>
> What you are all doing is a NOT some puerile pissing competition, it
> is a struggle for something of massive importance for those of you who
> have contributed so much: The future of the Church of Virus.
>
> I respect your right to fight, I respect your motives for fighting and
> I respect you for standing up for things important to all of us all. I
> see the name calling as nothing more than a side effect of the
> adrenaline surges that such important and difficult conversations
> arouse. Lets not get caught up in the "detail" of personal insults.
> They are seldom actually meant and almost always delivered as a
> response to a perceived or real attack of a similar nature.
>
> Lets focus on the bigger issues and themes rather than objectives and
> concrete rules.
>
> We made great progress this week. We introduced and debated a complex
> and bold new reputation scheme which could be our salivation.
> Weaknesses and possible routes of abuse were identified but the idea
> was otherwise accepted and the community appears to be both interested
> in the idea and very grateful to the architects for working hard at
> real solution, however raw and unpolished at these prototype stages.
>
> So brethren and cistern [joe humor], let us not reinforce the cycle of fury by
> giving unearned weight to casual insults and words typed in anger from
> brains poisoned by adrenaline.
>
> Let us laugh and let us show some respect for our soldier-fellows
> taking fire so that we may enjoy the truth mined from the rocks on
> unreason by their time, effort and as we have seen here - pain.
>
> As Yeats wrote:
>
> You that Mitchell's prayer have heard
> 'Send war in our time, O Lord!'
> Know that when all words are said
> And a man is fighting mad
> Something drops from his eyes long blind,
> He completes his partial mind,
> For an instant he stands at ease,
> Laughs out loud, his heart at peace.
> Even the wisest man grows tense,
> With some sort of violence,
> Before he can accomplish fate,
> Know his work or choose his mate.
>
> Fight on lads, but fight as family. Let us complete the partial mind
> on the CoV and accomplish fate.
>
> Over to you.
>
> Your Brother,
>
> Jonathan
>
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