From: Bill Roh (billroh@churchofvirus.com)
Date: Fri May 23 2003 - 13:06:35 MDT
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jubungalord wrote:
>Although you say most scientist and doctors are rational they simply are not very rational.
>
They are simply people, and like people, some are rational and some are
not. However, I think we can assume that in general they may be a
little more rational than others though because of a few reasons:
1> They are less likely to believe in gods, spirits, demons, ghosts
and the like. This is a statistical fact.
2> They frequently use data to come to conclusions insead of making
conclusions and then looking for data. This is not to say they don't
follow hunches.
3> They usually have spent many years dedicating themselves to their
skill and knowledge. A lot of work and dedication. I usually find these
attributes in more stable people.
> The externally sort things but very seldom relate to thier time or themselves. Only a very small percentage of doctors and scientist actually analyze the problems are face and then ACT to change the root of problems.
>
A question of personal goals and resources. There are only so many
resources to spend. Like professional athletes or musicians - there are
a few thousand famously successful ones, and untold millions more that
are just living life and trying to succeed. Some may one day be great
and others may fade away having only helped to peddle the bicycle of
knowledge a little ways.
> I see many scholars hiding behind popular morality never uprooting or challengeing these opinion for fear of thier own personal loss. What good does it do to sit at dupont and run a thousand batteries of tests everyday?
>
You mean product safety tests? Materials tests? Do you think Dupont
likes to waste money? I guarantee that these people are not wasting
time, they are, like everyone else, making a living, raising children,
paying a mortgage.
> What good does it do to the same medical procedure on thousands of patients every year?
>
It makes better doctors and safer procedures. I would rather have my
appendix removed by a 58 year old doctor that has performed thousands
of procedures, than a 26 year old who has done it 2x. Besides, they
don't pluck people from the street and say - "Hey, you need an
operation". People have problems and the procedures need to be
performend in the statistically most successful manner. It's really
pretty simple.
> Is this going to change anything?
>
Aside from maybe saving a life for each of those operations? Certianly
improving peoples lives is making a difference?
> No, the people who have the most control and influence will still have it.
>
Why should scientists or doctors have control? What makes you think that
control should be in the posession of the intelligent objcetive people?
The people need to be represented and find their control in people they
know, like and trust. Seldom is this a scientist or doctor. Usually it's
a charismatic person that is successful or appears successful, good
spirited and approachable.
> The system has it's meme traps and many scholars fall into them thinking that they still can change things. Once thier self-definition becomes permenent in thier ideal roles they have tied and gagged thier potential. Not only professional definition. Once human define the world too black and white they become obsolete like a computer.
>
Why should they even want to change things? Some do, some dont. You are
assuming way too much about a huge and diverse group of people with
dynamic interests and capabilities
You are doing what everyone calls "US vs Them". You have categorized
this entire group and then placed them in some sort of contructed
opposition to yourself and people you see as similar to yourself. You
need to "Have lunch with a bum". In other words, go make some friends
that are living in the science world and your respect for them as a
group may improve. Actually, I guarantee it will improve.
Reason - Vision - Empathy
Tools for a healthy mind
Bill Roh
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