From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Tue Sep 24 2002 - 16:20:35 MDT
On 25 Sep 2002 at 0:01, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
You idjit!  ;~)  You shoulda read the post.  It actually has nothing to do 
with Hermit and everything to do with a conversation between Michelle 
and myself concerning things like knowledge, belief and truth (and the 
necessary and essential conditions for them).
> 
> ....STOOOOOOOOPPPP!!!  even if someone asks you etc.  please just
> stop!  you know very well that if you keep presenting your side of the
> story, this will invite a response.  this sort of behavior just serves
> to make it more and more clear who was the effective instigator or
> pourer-o-fuel-on-fire.  can ya just quit for all our sakes??? please?
> 
> drsebby.
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: topic
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:01:30 -0500
> 
> On 23 Sep 2002 at 14:39, Michelle wrote:
> 
>  > [Joe] I know things that many others do not, just as many others
>  know > things that I do not; it benefits us all for each of us to
>  both share > our respective knowledge with others, and desire to
>  receive knowledge > from others, for such sharing raises the average
>  general level of > knowledge. > > [Michelle]  If you assume that
>  there is such a thing as Truth that > needs to be disseminated, then
>  you assume that some have knowledge of > it and some don't.  What is
>  the best method for determining who has it > and who doesn't? How can
>  we apply standards of truth and falsehood and > remain humble to the
>  prospect that someone else might have a better > answer?  It seems
>  that the analysis of the underlying memes is the > most indicative of
>  whether a position is formed from motivation to > Truth or motivation
>  to meme propagation - the fundamental distinction > being openness to
>  being proved wrong, correct?  Anyone motivated by > Truth is open to
>  being proven wrong, and anyone motivated by being > _right_ is
>  certainly not open to being proven _wrong_. > > I always run into
>  this when trying to have discussions about > anything... I am kept
>  from assertion by the need to be unassertive to > serve the greater
>  goal of finding Truth...  what happens then? >
> I quote from Hermit's quotations of me in FAQ: Faith and truth in
> science Joe Dees provided an elegant formal summary: Quote: "The
> presence of evidence for a contention necessarily relegates adherence
> to that contention to the realm of empirical, and therefore probable -
> rather than absolute - knowledge; it is only in the absence of
> evidence that adherence to a contention can be considered to be belief
> or faith in it. Subjective transcendent conceptions of ultimacy are
> believed in, not known, as in fact are any ultimate conceptions, be
> they transcendent or immanent, since Popperian Falsifiability
> precludes the admittance of any absolute universal positive empirical
> truth-claim, and transcendent conceptions are by definition neither
> testable themselves nor derivable from other testable propositions.
> 
> As Joe Dees described it, science seeks
> Quote:
> three measures of validity, and therefore of sufficiency, internal
> consistency (no reductio ad absurdums within the contention), external
> coherency (there is no logical conflict with contiguous truths) and
> faithful referential correspondence (the proposition seamlessly
> represents an observable state/process of affairs). There three are
> practically never found in isolation; when one applies, all three do.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> 
> 
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