From: Jkr438@aol.com
Date: Thu Sep 05 2002 - 11:35:26 MDT
In a message dated 9/5/2002 11:58:49 AM Central Daylight Time, 
joedees@bellsouth.net writes:
The cost-benefit analysis remains the same no matter who's in charge. Dubya 
may be a dunce, but he's answering this classroom question right (or his much 
more astute advisors are). We should follow the logically correct course, 
even if we have personal problems with the leader of the conga-line dancing 
us there. Britain, in my opinion, would be enough; we wouldn't get much 
military help from any other members of the EU even if they came on board, 
which I perceive some of them as likely to do, once the promised evidence is 
presented. 
[Jake]  The issue isn't military help, so much as it is unilateralism.  The 
cost/benefit unfortunately can't remain blind to the salesman because we are 
talking not only about immediate military and weapons concerns, but as well 
about fostering an international atmosphere conducive to preventing more Sept 
11th's.  GWB has gone an awful long way toward ruining this with relentless 
unilateralism, not to mention the downright stupidly abrasive spontaneous 
rhetoric he is prone to. If Saddam were the ruling despot in Cuba rather than 
Iraq, I don't think unilateralism would cause any concern.  If he had a track 
record of good international relations, he might even be able to get away 
with an exceptional case of unilateralism in Iraq.  But this isn't the case, 
and any cost-benefit analysis HAS to take this into account.  If we take 
unilateral action now, especially invading another sovereign country, I have 
little doubt that it would seal an atmosphere of already growing animus 
across the world toward US, moving many former allies into opposition, and 
creating the need for even more military interventions and loss of life, and 
providing many more opportunities for genocidal despots.
Incidentally, if the problem were only Bush, we might be doing better, but 
most of the so-called "astute advisors" you refer to, while not as 
brain-damaged as Smirk, certainly exceed him in religious bigotry, as well as 
their irrational commitments to religious prophesy in the international 
arena.  They are at least as much of the problem as he is.  I think you run 
the risk of a real counter fallacy.  Just because you happen to agree with 
the necessity of military action on Iraq, you suddenly have become 
irrationally apologetic about this administrations shortcomings.  First you 
try to convince us with your deluded assertion that GWB has matured into a 
real leader with coalition building skills.  Now you feel compelled to 
describe the most religious right administration as full of "astute 
advisors".  You really have taken leave of your senses on these issues.  
Regardless of what road we end up taking, the Democrats failure to raise any 
serious criticism of this administration's general handling of foreign policy 
post 9/11, can only be counted as a further detriment to this same policy.  
You seem to be falling right into the party line on this count.
-Jake
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