From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 14:24:31 MDT
            Collaborators in the Occupied Territories: 
                Human Rights Abuses and Violations: 
               An Interview with Dr. Saleh Adbul Jawad
Collaborators in The Occupied Territories: Human Rights 
Abuses and Violations was one of the first and most extensive 
documents to deal comprehensively with the complex and 
multifaceted issues of collaboration in the West Bank and 
Gaza Strip. While it was published by B'TSELEM, Dr. Saleh 
Abdel Jawad, the Director of the Center for Research & 
Documentation of Palestinian Society, along with Yizhar Be'er 
were its main researchers and writers. While its publication 
coincided with Oslo, it was impossible to predict how the 
phenomenon of collaboration would fare in the post-Oslo 
period. The following interview with Dr. Saleh Abdel Jawad 
clarifies this issue as well as provides insight into Dr. Jawad's 
more personal feelings towards his role in the unprecedented 
research of a very controversial and sensitive subject.
How did you become involved in researching such a 
controversial issue and when and how were you approached by 
B'TSELEM to become one of their main researchers? Finally, 
were you at all reluctant to accept such a position?
    I was interested in this question just as many other 
    Palestinians are and always have been. Since 1963 
    the whole phenomenon of collaboration became a 
    very prominent and impressive one within our 
    society and it was then that I took an active role in 
    inquiring about the subject. My interest was of 
    course hightened by my frequent personal 
    exposure to the issue of collaboration and its 
    insidious effect on our society. I started collecting 
    occasional data on the issue in the early 80's and 
    then more seriously after the Intifadah erupted. It 
    was then that I really started thinking of doing a 
    book on the subject. I naturally approached various 
    Palestinian individuals and centers with the idea, 
    but many were either intimidated or reluctant to 
    sponsor work on such a subject. I approached 
    Feisal Husseini at the Arab Studies Association, 
    yet received no response. Later I approached 
    Ibrahim Qurien from the Palestinian Press Center, 
    and he was very reluctant. Finally I approached al-
    Haq--more than once, with two proposals--but 
    they too were extremely reluctant to be involved 
    with such research.
    After all this B'TSELEM heard that I was working 
    on the subject and approached me to be only a 
    counselor for the project. They already had an 
    Israeli scholar working with them. Yet, this scholar 
    was missing three crucial elements in his overall 
    analysis of the issue and those were: the violation 
    of the human rights by the collaborators 
    themselves, how the Occupation perpetuated this 
    phenomenon, and finally how the entire system of 
    Israeli Occupation was designed to create and 
    recruit never ending legions of various types of 
    collaborators. These were three absolutely critical 
    elements in this subject that I insisted be a part of 
    the study if I were going to be on the project. The 
    Israeli scholar accepted the first condition but 
    refused to entertain the last two and for these as 
    well as other reasons, he finally left the project. It 
    was then that I became the main researcher for the 
    subject. In 1993 after becoming director of the 
    Center, I became extremely busy with other 
    projects, so Yizhar Be'er entered the project as a 
    second researcher.
What was your final objective with this project and how did you 
as a Palestinian Political Scientist who has lived amongst this 
phenomenon approach the subject differently than Israeli 
researchers at B'TSELEM?
    I wanted to understand this insidious phenomenon 
    that during the Intifadah alone claimed more than 
    900 lives, by understanding the socio-political and 
    economic reasons that have always fueled this. The 
    killing of collaborators or being a collaborator 
    were two ugly aspects of the Palestinian society, 
    our evil face if you will, that was used by Israeli 
    propaganda to present us as savages butchering 
    one another whenever we have the chance. It was 
    important that a Palestinian scholar demystify this 
    issue and give a comprehensive analysis of the 
    subject and I'm sure that those who read this report 
    will walk away with a better appreciation and 
    understanding of the complexity and sensitivity of 
    the issue.
Why do you think that other Palestinian individuals and centers 
rejected the idea?
    Like I said it is obviously a very sensitive issue and 
    unfortunately many of them didn't understand how 
    the killing of collaborators created an air of 
    ubiquitous fear and Orwellian intimidation 
    amongst our people. In fact, it was these factors 
    that perpetuated such a pervasive silence on the 
    subject. Many of the people who were killing 
    collaborators could be seen as "serial killers," in 
    the sense that they would kill multiple times and 
    that they were often responsible for creating a 
    climate of fear and terror within the Palestinian 
    society. The irony was that in many cases those 
    most zealous inflicters of punishment against 
    collaborators were collaborators themselves.
The phenomenon of collaboration seems to be one solely 
indicative of the Intifadah and that time period, what would you 
say of collaboration in the Post-Oslo period, and what of its 
enormous influence that still resonates in Palestinian society?
    The phenomenon continues, but after the 
    establishment of the National Authority, many of 
    the well known collaborators fled to live with the 
    Israelis. The Palestinian Authority is also obliged 
    by agreement not to arrest, harm or interrogate any 
    suspected collaborator. Despite this fact, two 
    people were killed near Hebron recently for 
    suspected collaboration by members of a Fatah cell 
    that was obviously operating on its own 
    commands. The fact is, the stigma and aftermath 
    of collaboration will be with us for a very long 
    time.
Right-wing Zionist propaganda has for years portrayed Arabs in 
general and Palestinians in particular as an inherently violent 
and bloodthirsty people, and after reading some portions of this 
publication--particularly Punishment of Collaborators--one 
begins to wonder if this is true. How would you respond to a 
statement that says your work as a Palestinian scholar helped to 
legitimize a right-wing Zionist myth?
    First of all, it is absolutely imperative that anyone 
    reading this work does so in context. Since the 
    beginning of this program I stressed with 
    B'TSELEM that this report not be presented as a 
    random list of human right abuses of Palestinians 
    against collaborators, but that the whole 
    phenomenon of collaboration and how its is 
    perpetuated, maintained and exploited be 
    thoroughly examined. Secondly as far as the 
    accusations of being inherently violent, once again 
    people need to understand the context in which 
    such violence occurred. Occupation is a violent 
    state of being, and the Israelis became masters of 
    employing and creating tactics that would stir civil 
    strife, cause hatred and animosity, and 
    occasionally erupt in violence.
    Collaborators are perceived by the people as the 
    worst and most dangerous type of enemy, and in 
    many case the people's loathing for them was 
    completely understandable. Yet throughout the 
    Intifadah, the Israeli authorities attempted to blur 
    the lines between who was a collaborator and who 
    was a patriot, who was truly religious and who 
    was merely presenting himself as a religious 
    Muslim in order to extract information from other 
    activists. The goal was to instill a sense of 
    pervasive doubt and confusion amongst the people, 
    and in this environment, many innocent people 
    were either killed or tortured as suspected 
    collaborators. In fact, in many cases some of the 
    more ghastly deaths and acts of torture were done 
    by collaborators themselves posing as nationalists 
    attempting to extract confessions from other 
    collaborators.
    Lastly my reasons for working on this publication 
    were to demystify, examine and try to understand a 
    complex and multifaceted phenomenon that 
    attempted to unearth the very foundation of 
    Palestinian society. Now if someone tries to use 
    this as a basis for perpetuating Israeli myths about 
    the inherent nature of Palestinian violence, or to 
    hypothesize about any other convoluted point, 
    there's not much I can do. Yet, I should add that 
    this Zionist concept of Palestinians being 
    inherently violent is part and parcel of the colonial 
    legacy of Zionism, which like many other colonial 
    idealogies presented all non-Europeans as 
    inherently primitive, violent, backwards and all the 
    rest. The fact is that every revolutionary or political 
    movement throughout history has had a very 
    violent record of dealing with this issue. Even the 
    Jews during their "War of Independence" 
    massacred numbers of other Jews for being 
    suspected of somehow working with British 
    forces. The French Revolution gave way to the 
    Reign of Terror that violently claimed thousands of 
    lives, yet no one talks or talked about the inherent 
    violence of Frenchmen or Jews.
With gratitude to rhinocerous, who unearthed this massive study.
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