From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Jul 20 2002 - 09:57:46 MDT
...the generalized statement you have issued is essentially true.  but then 
so is the law prohibiting murder...yet i do not require the threat of 
punishment to adhere to the notion.  much the same i do not suggest anyone 
to drink and drive.  i am quit certain that as i am in an odd category with 
many things, my scenario is quite individual...and as yet i imagine many 
others might say the same, i am quite certain that i AM in a rather peculiar 
scenario: i have a very controllable reaction to alcohol, im smart enough to 
truly compensate for nearly all incumbent handicaps, and i do not lose sight 
of long term implications and how they might interfere with my personal 
goals etc.  if there is one thing in my life that i am certain of, it's that 
im  an oddball in many ways, this is one of the beneficial results as chance 
would have it.
....but moreover, as you so agree to the general public's notions to this 
act of "impaired" driving, you also breeze over dozens of other 
considerations that could and likely do easily match or exceed the 'across 
the board' effects of drinking and driving...things that havent hit the 
local new channels or the popular conscious simply due to their wispy 
nature.  that which cant be so 'prettily' nailed down is passed over as 
'nothing' even though we all know they are horrid.  i say youre buying into 
popular and extra focused propaganda on one complex issue.  example:
...fat stupid housewives(indicating a lack of real accountability since 
hubby will deal with it) driving minivans that never got the date they 
wanted for the prom but feel every minute letting people see them on a cell 
phone whilst driving the minivan will increase their self-esteem...
the ONLY memorable incidents of near accidents in my life have been these 
people...im not b.s.ing you either...after dodging the near collision i 
always pull alongside to see who or what the driver is.  it is never a young 
guy...always a very very old guy or girl, or a young girl and half of them 
are on the cell phone.  the accident rates approach those of drunk driving 
if im not mistaken, and yet you wont hear people condemning them as you have 
just done with people that have 2 -10 beers.  it's not yet a popular carrier 
for public hatred, so you skip it.  i suspect the 
pro-christian/anti-alcohol/drug psychological cartel has much more to do 
with your opinion than flat out reality.  add the fact that nearly all 
alcohol fatalities involve people with a serious problem handling the 
effects of alcohol(eg..would be helicopter pilots as i mentioned before), 
and i'd say your point is empty or at least seriously equalized by things 
you dont yet confront.
drsebby.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Mermaid ." <britannica@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:virus: Re: Re:Drink driving
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:50:48 -0700
Let me give the gist of this thread.
Drink and drive, the drunken ass will be hauled away. Thats it. Period. End 
of story!
Surprise! It's a law that actually makes sense. None of the voices from CoV 
is responsible for anyone else's life . It will be in the permenant record.
Drunk drivers(no matter how one defines 'drunkeness')do not belong behind a 
wheel on the road. The road is not anyone's backyard. Lives do not have to 
depend on one's own inflated claims of their ability to remain 'steady' 
under the influence of alcohol.
Alcohol(beer..if american, aka, diluted cat piss, especially requires 
several bottles before kids feel the buzz and that is often a state of 
mind...so its just not about what you put in your blood stream)does indeed 
severely handicap an individual's reaction time. Even when completely sober, 
it is difficult to avoid accidents. Twilight driving is a good example. 
Accidents tend to occur just before dawn or dusk when depth perception is 
severely impaired. This is true even for 'excellent' drivers.
Not only is it highly irresponsible to support driving under the influence, 
it is also incredibly silly to tout theories such as these when the majority 
of the list members are impressionable youngsters. A few, I'd imagine , if 
not the majority of the young members, cannot even buy beer legally. Is this 
what 'drinking veterans' have to say to the soon-to-be first time drinkers? 
Given that 'interesting technologies' are not yet mandatory installations in 
our vehicles, what is the point?(Even that doesnt solve the problem because 
drunken behaviour and shedding of inhibitions is a mental state, 
irrespective of the cause of disability to be alert. For many, 
drinking=excuse to act like an idiot..behaviour which is not always 
appreciated when in a sober state)Whatever it is, the message that is heard 
loudly across as 'its ok to drink and drive'. The feeble conditionalities 
are not loud or clear enough.
Be responsible. No matter who says what...do not drink and drive.
Mermaid.
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