From: athe nonrex (athenonrex@godisdead.com)
Date: Thu Apr 11 2002 - 11:54:59 MDT
[arcadia]
>I'm not a 'Satanist,' but I'm not some new age white light wuss either. I
>care a lot about freedom, my own and that of others, even the freedom to do
>really stupid things, and then deal with the consequences. Most people who
>know me consider me ethical to a downright inconvenient degree, but it's
>only because I insist on being free to choose what I do, and behaving this
>way seems to work best.
[Athe'Nonrex]
satanists get a lot of undeserved criticism. anyone who's read LeVay's
writing know's that he's not the "evil" person they think he is.
("evil" by the way, a concept that i don't believe in...
this is why...
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/anarchoandy/harmonism.html )
by the way, have a happy LeVay Day, it's his birthday!
[arcadia]
>Also, I should note that among other Wiccans and Pagans I know, it strikes
>me there's about the same proportion of folks I like and folks I don't as in
>any other group.
[Athe'Nonrex]
well, yeah. there will be people you don't like or don't get along with
anywhere in the world, so long as there's people there.
[arcadia]
>Do you discuss what's called 'level 3' or 'type 3' thinking here? It's
>basicly an approach where you regard yourself and your mind as cybernetic
>instruments, and resolve to program your own thinking in order to achieve
>specific results. (Obviously, this would be a learning process.) The point
>of level three thinking is you transcend the questions of level 2: "What is
>True, and Right?" At level 3 you don't worry about whether it's true or not,
>since you don't intend to believe it 'forever;' you just want to know, "If I
>believe 'this' will it get me where I need to go?"
>
[Athe'Nonrex]
sounds remotely like post-moralism...
<ears perk up> did someone say nietzsche?
[arcadia]
>Now, SOME of the reading I have done, following searches on 'Meme' seems
>just to be people using the word to shoot down belief systems they don't
>believe in, as if to imply that their own thinking were somehow pristene and
>untouched by the culture they live in. (I guess you can see what I think of
>that...)
[Athe'Nonrex]
like i said, idiots, idiots, everywhere. the wrold is far from perfect,
but that's what makes it interesting.
[arcadia]
I find it more useful to think of memes as functioning art. The
>most pernicious and damaging ones are also the most ingenius and beautiful
>and profound. Rather than trash them wholesale, I think they should be
>studied. What needs do they serve? Maybe people are getting something
>there that we don't know about, and if we're going to fight these systems,
>we need to understand very well their mechanisms to create loyalty.
>
> I think it's absurd to work toward a 'meme free' environment or head.
>That's like a computer running no software. Instead, we should be about
>finding that proverbial root directory where we can choose what software to
>run and with what parameters to acheive the desired results.
>
[Athe'Nonrex]
a meme free world/mind/envoirnment is impossible if there are multiple
persons in existance at the same time in the same area. the programming
of the masses isn't really that hard, but for one to do so effectively
and profoundly is quite a task. i personally think that most people
that started up the really powerfull supermemes did it inadvertantly.
they thought something up, and at the time it was convincing enough that
they believed it, passed it to another, and so on. and now that they
aren't that convincing logicaly, it doesn't matter, because enough people
belive in it to convince a few more to belive in it, regardless of how
nonsensical it may seem now.
later,
athe'nonrex
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