From: Kalkor (kalkor@kalkor.com)
Date: Thu Feb 07 2002 - 11:24:28 MST
Great suggestion! I'll switch if I can find something like that within my
budget as soon as possible! I'll keep the tobacco I have around in case I
maybe need to roll something with nicotine in it for the first few weeks,
but this sounds like a great way to move from the addictive chemical to the
nonaddictive, without attempting to give up the habit at the same time
(which is always hardest for me, giving up the addiction AND the habit
simultaneously).
I really enjoy the act of rolling one up, and it keeps me from smoking as
much as often, so do you know if this product is sold loose rather than
pre-rolled with a filter? Also, since I live in the states, do you have any
suggestions on where I might go to find such a product? I'll hit all the
tobacco/news stands in downtown Portland when I find myself walking around
during the day there next...
Anyone else?
Kalkor
putting the hairy cosmic thunderer smack in his place...
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Subject: RE: virus: Cannabinoid receptors and munchies : reprise
[KALKOR]
However, I also needed to smoke cigs when I smoked pot, and that just became
a vicious cycle in other ways. Here's what I've done recently, that has
started to reverse both effects: I quit smoking weed, and consequently don't
feel like smoking cigs as often. I switched to hand-rolling instead of
store-bought, which gives me several things:
1)I smoke less often because there's more hassle involved with sitting down,
takin out my pouch and papers, rolling up a cig, and lighting it(especially
behind the wheel, forget about havin a cig then).
2)I get more nicotine per cig than before and the cravings don't happen as
intensely or as often.
3)Instead of spending $4.00/pack/day, I spend $4.00/pouch/week.
4)How much of what does Phillip Morris et al put in cigs that aren't already
present in tobacco? I mean, come on, the tobacco and the act of burning and
inhaling it is bad enough, but what else is in there? I'm pretty sure it's
not in the hand-rolling stuff I get.
5)Less appetite suppression which means I'm able to expend less effort on
MAKING myself eat better. I don't have to so-rigidly stick to my schedule of
consuming *THIS* amount of food at *THIS* time.
[DYLAN]
I have used weed for going on 10 years now, and smoking it started me on
tobacco, which has destroyed my health more than anything I think in my
entire life. However, I now smoke NTB Herbal Cigarettes, and here are 10
good reasons for making the change:
1. They taste damn fine in a joint.
2. They arent as harsh as using tobacco to roll a joint
3. They contain no nicotine or tobacco. Consequently, I have removed the
habit-forming stuff from my life without having to go through the "cold
turkey" stage, because when I have those stressed out days where you just
know you want something to smoke at work, then you can without becoming
addicted and starting over again. Also, they only contain 3mg Tar...cf with
the following:
Silk Cut UIltra Mild 4mg
Marlboro Lights 9mg
Marlboro Red box 13mg
Camel Filters Box 13mg
Benson & Hedges Special 14mg
Lucky Strike M.F.T. 16mg
{SOURCE: Hong Kong Government report on Tar/Nicotine Levels taken from
samples collected Jan-Dec 2000}
4. No withdrawal means no tetchiness. I have successfully managed to keep my
relationships intact this time. ;-)
5. It is completely organic. As a vegetarian who mainly eats organic (when i
can) this is a positive step.
6. I am not giving money to the Philip Morris corporation, and therefore
indirectly the BATF.
7. I am not giving more money to the government.
8. They are cheaper. 20 herbal cigarettes are only £1.70 compare with £4.40
for a pack of 20 marlboro lights.
9. They are a good talking point...everyone who I know who smokes wants to
try them.
10. They smell like you are smoking weed...means you occasionally have to
mention it to bar-staff, but they are always cool about it. But more to the
point, you can soon spot like minded dope smokers who seem to start hovering
and sniffing around whenever you light one up as a cigarette.
Im not saying this is safe, but its a whole lot healthier than that tobacco
shit that people get happily addicted to. In my opinion, there are few drugs
worse than Tobacco (and alcohol) and whilst I dont think these should be
banned, certainly i do think there is a case for legalising ALL currently
banned substances, as based on the number of annual deaths, and knowing what
these things do to health, it is unlikely that smoking herb, snorting coke
and even taking H would be half as dangerous as drinking alcohol/smoking
tobacco, should these not be forced underground.
Dylan.
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