From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon Jan 28 2002 - 02:07:15 MST
On 28 Jan 2002 at 2:37, L' Ermit wrote:
> [Joe Dees] Which is exactly why I do not see the present situation vis-a-vis
> the Muslim-inspired terrorists easing up until they are willling to lay
> Islam, or at least their hidebound but unfortunately scripturally valid
> conception of that neanderthal memeplex, aside as well.
>
> [Hermit] The West did not "choose" to lay Christian support for Kings or
> slavery aside, rather we developed economically to the point where these
> concepts ceased to make sense - and then we abandoned those parts of the
> memplex which conflicted with utility. That was a painful transition indeed,
> as Cromwell and Louis XVI both proved. Today about half of the population of
> Europe, and some 15% of the population (much more of the younger generation)
> of the US, has already taken the next step - abandoning the entire memplex
> as conflicting with rationality - despite a school system which appears
> designed to undermine rather than enhance rationality. Unless there is some
> massive disaster, this process will continue and accelerate. Which is why we
> are seeing such anguish in the ranks of the "Religious Wrong". They sense
> that they tide has turned against them, and are trying desperately to
> command it to stop. They have about as much chance as Canute. This is not a
> movement so much as it is a transition. It is also an opportunity for the
> CoV to do some real good on a wide scale.
>
> [Hermit] Given sufficient economic impetus, the same will happen to Islam.
> As Iran has discovered, it cannot compete in the modern world without
> adaptation. And Islam has a huge advantage over Christianity. There is no
> central body able to define what it should look like, so that its adaptation
> should be much more rapid. When the West stops supporting their feudal
> economies, this adaptation will happen by itself. Unfortunately, we have
> intervened to such an extent that it is almost inevitable that most Islamic
> nations will only transform through revolution as painful as that experinced
> by the French. But their transformation will be driven by economic and
> social factors, not through changes in their religion. Only after the change
> has occurred will the principle "motivator" of religious fundamentalism be
> removed.
>
> [Hermit] Meanwhile, [b]most[/b] Muslims are about as religiously driven as
> [b]most[/b] Christians. Or why the religious Muslim states require "Police
> for the suppresion of vice and promotion of virtue" to go around whipping
> women who show their ankles amongst other things - and why Iran is slowly
> (very slowly) becoming less insanely Islamic.
>
Then hurry the change, but I think the chances are better than 50/50 that many
of them will simply surge to the edges of their common nation committed to holy
conquest of the hated-infidels-to-blame and, not incidentally, expansion into
coveted resources, should such political/economic collapse set in. Since there
is no central body to tell them all what to do, I'm quite sure this is the message
many will accept from ignorant and xenophobic mullahs.
>
> Regards
>
> Hermit
>
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