From: Kalkor (kalkor@kalkor.com)
Date: Tue Jan 15 2002 - 13:51:02 MST
OMG! I'm sending you the cleaning bill; you should not have caused me to
read that while I was sipping my coffee!!!
Kalkor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
Of Dr Sebby
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:46 AM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: virus: uh oh! Yash wields race card!
REUTERS, London: It has been confirmed that one "Yash" of the Church of
Virus has now played the race card in what was becoming a quick call to arms
in his intellectual border dispute with Kirkus Rex Steele. No one can be
sure what this recent escalation in weaponry will mean, but analysts suspect
an unorthodox retaliation from K. Steele. It has been widely rumored that
K. Steele has the theoretical Nigger bomb in his arsenal, as well as the
much feared 'Kike Ion cannon' also known as the "Jew Gun". If these weapons
of mass offense are brought to bear on the armies of Yash, it is widely
believed that Yash will most likely continue defending itself using both the
race card missile defense system with the possible later engagement of it's
laser-guided 'social disapproval' cruise missile which is typically launched
from the leaking hulls of the infamous Submarines of Political
Correctness(now sporting newly reinforced screen doors!).
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Yash" <yashk2000@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: RE: virus: Yash - a brief history eloquent redolence, but no sense.
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:55:50 +0400
I condemn your obvious racist slant in your comments.
You don't know what esoteric means. Too bad for you.
To me it's interesting to see how people come about their discoveries, even
though they say they are inspired by divine things. Have you read Newton and
Kepler?
I do not dismiss these simply because of religious links.
BTW, Mermaid said she had no problem with me mentioning my qualifications in
response to challenges by Hermit.
See the sources already cited by Mermaid and Hermit for chronologies. You
obviously didn't.
See Georges Ifrah's work on the History of Mathematics:
"Histoire Universelle des Chiffres"- ISBN 2-221-05779-1 (Tome 1)
ISBN 2-221-07837-1 (complete edition).
More resources for you:
1. http://www.ualr.edu/~lasmoller/pythag.html
2.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Apastamba.htm
l
3.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Baudhayana.ht
ml
4.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Indian_sulbasutra
s.html
5. http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Indexes/Indians.html
6.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Bhaskara_I.ht
ml
7. http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/mathematics.htm
8. http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~anu/facts.html
9. http://www.india-today.com/ctoday/20010516/columns2.html
Here's an extract that shows you just where Pythagoras got his inspiration
(the kind of thing that would make you puke but not me).
_____
Just Who Was This Pythagoras, Anyway?
Pythagoras (569-500 B.C.E.) was born on the island of Samos in Greece, and
did much traveling through Egypt, learning, among other things, mathematics.
Not much more is known of his early years. Pythagoras gained his famous
status by founding a group, the Brotherhood of Pythagoreans, which was
devoted to the study of mathematics. The group was almost cult-like in that
it had symbols, rituals and prayers. In addition, Pythagoras believed that
"Number rules the universe,"and the Pythagoreans gave numerical values to
many objects and ideas. These numerical values, in turn, were endowed with
mystical and spiritual qualities.
Legend has it that upon completion of his famous theorem, Pythagoras
sacrificed 100 oxen. Although he is credited with the discovery of the
famous theorem, it is not possible to tell if Pythagoras is the actual
author. The Pythagoreans wrote many geometric proofs, but it is difficult to
ascertain who proved what, as the group wanted to keep their findings
secret. Unfortunately, this vow of secrecy prevented an important
mathematical idea from being made public. The Pythagoreans had discovered
irrational numbers! If we take an isosceles right triangle with legs of
measure 1, the hypotenuse will measure sqrt 2. But this number cannot be
expressed as a length that can be measured with a ruler divided into
fractional parts, and that deeply disturbed the Pythagoreans, who believed
that "All is number." They called these numbers "alogon," which means
"unutterable." So shocked were the Pythagoreans by these numbers, they put
to death a member who dared to mention their existence to the public. It
would be 200 years later that the Greek mathematician Eudoxus developed a
way to deal with these unutterable numbers.
Just Who Was This Pythagoras, Anyway?
Pythagoras (569-500 B.C.E.) was born on the island of Samos in Greece, and
did much traveling through Egypt, learning, among other things, mathematics.
Not much more is known of his early years. Pythagoras gained his famous
status by founding a group, the Brotherhood of Pythagoreans, which was
devoted to the study of mathematics. The group was almost cult-like in that
it had symbols, rituals and prayers. In addition, Pythagoras believed that
"Number rules the universe,"and the Pythagoreans gave numerical values to
many objects and ideas. These numerical values, in turn, were endowed with
mystical and spiritual qualities.
Legend has it that upon completion of his famous theorem, Pythagoras
sacrificed 100 oxen. Although he is credited with the discovery of the
famous theorem, it is not possible to tell if Pythagoras is the actual
author. The Pythagoreans wrote many geometric proofs, but it is difficult to
ascertain who proved what, as the group wanted to keep their findings
secret. Unfortunately, this vow of secrecy prevented an important
mathematical idea from being made public. The Pythagoreans had discovered
irrational numbers! If we take an isosceles right triangle with legs of
measure 1, the hypotenuse will measure sqrt 2. But this number cannot be
expressed as a length that can be measured with a ruler divided into
fractional parts, and that deeply disturbed the Pythagoreans, who believed
that "All is number." They called these numbers "alogon," which means
"unutterable." So shocked were the Pythagoreans by these numbers, they put
to death a member who dared to mention their existence to the public. It
would be 200 years later that the Greek mathematician Eudoxus developed a
way to deal with these unutterable numbers.
_______
Here are some more from one of the links:
______
Pythagoras Theorem or Baudhayana Theorem
The so called Pythagoras Theorem - the square of the hypotenuse of a right
angled triangle is equal to the sum of the square of the other sides which
was worked out earlier by the Indian mathematician Baudhayana, in Baudhayana
Shulba Sutra, a treatise dating back to the 6th century BCE. He describes it
as
the area produced by the diagonal of a rectangle is equal to the sum of the
area produced by it on 2 sides
Astronomy
Measurement of Time
In Surya Siddhanta Bhaskaracharya calculates the time taken for the Earth to
orbit the sun to 9 decimal places (365.258756484 days). The modern accepted
measurement is 365.2596 days. The difference between the ancient measurement
(1500 years ago) and the moderen measurement is only 0.00085 days (0.0002%).
India has given the world the idea of the smallest and the largest meaure of
time - from 34,000th of a second (Krati) to 4.32 billion years (kalpa).
Astronomy
Indian astronomers have been mapping the skies for more than 3500 years.
100 Years Before Copernicus
Copernicus published his thoery of the revolution of the Earth in 1543 CW.
1000 years earlier, Aryabhatta in the 5th century CE, stated that the Earth
revolves around the sun using the following specific words.
"Just as a person travelling in a boat feels that the trees on the bank are
moving, people on the Earth feel that the Sun is moving"
In his treatise Aryabhateeam he clearly states that our Earth is round,
rotates on its axis, orbits the Sun and is suspended in Space. He also
explained that lunar and solar eclipses occur through the interplay of the
shadows of the Sun, the Moon and the Earth.
1200 Years Before Newton
The law of gravity was known to the ancient Indian astronomer
Bhaskaracharya. In his Surya Siddhanta he notes
Objects fall on the earth due to a force of attraction by the Earth.
Therefore the Earth, Planets, Constellations, Moon and the Sun are held in
orbit by attraction
. In was not until the late 17th century (1687), 1200 years later that Sir
Isaac Newton rediscovered the law of gravity.
______
Yash.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
Of Steele, Kirk A
A few gems bought to all you good folks through the magic of cut and paste.
"It's good you mention ancient Indian Mathematicians, because many of the
theorems supposedly ascribed as discoveries to Greek searches by the
obviously biased Occidental history books are in fact re-discoveries of
things found by Indian a few hundred years earlier."
(ed. - still waiting for sources on this one. he isn't offering any. he's
been called on it a bunch of times.)
"I am like an old plague which comes back to haunt you."
"Things like what I evoke are known under several names in esoteric
circles."
(ed. note- not names in knowledge, but esoteric circles.)
Back to Mermaid's observation about Yash having a problem with her citing
her qualifications; it is quite likely that Bagwan Shree Yashneesh here has
his own hangups about his own qualifications. Given his self declared
preference for non-"Occidnetal" or "esoteric" methods and his language
usage, we can begin to see that his assertions are clearly based in
personally held BELIEFS.
I'll close with this last desire of the Bagwan Shree Yashneesh:
"I am also eagerly awaiting "The Holy Science" by Yogananda's Guru which
describes many of the astronomical data stored in ancient scriptures."
Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmm................................
Kirkasaurus Wrecks
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