From: Bodie (mclarkc@essex.ac.uk)
Date: Tue Jan 15 2002 - 09:12:44 MST
So all I have to do to have a good 1 night stand without any risks is to
smell the girls arse. Great, just about that time she's running at 100mph
in the opposite direction, I think I'll give that one a miss
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Bill Roh wrote:
> I'll mention some more of the specifics I remember just to clear some things up:
>
> Yes, I thought I made it clear that it was the lack of sense of smell in the
> first sentence.
>
> 1> It is also the fact that to get a really good wiff - your head would need to
> be located at ass height. Obviously aside from the poor smell, the nose is
> poorly loacted, in most cases, for a really good wiff.
> 2> At the time when people were developing into people, we seldom lived that
> long (40 years) - we were lucky to make it to puberty. If you lived to 30 you
> were an old man. So instead of 27 or 28 years of reproductive potential, it was
> only a few years, maybe 10 that you were able to reproduce.
> 3> Even if 20 out of 100 got pregnant - at the time we were developing that
> would have been a catastrophic % of reproducing women. I would think anyway.
> Infant mortality at the time had to be phenominal.
> 4>I am not positing this as the answer, but a possible one of many aspects that
> drove the bus to monogamy.
>
> regards
> Bill
>
>
> L' Ermit wrote:
>
> > [Bill] Something that you seemed to miss here that I picked up from the book
> > "Demonic Males - Apes and the Origins of Human Violance" by Richard Wrangham
> > and Dale Peterson:
> >
> > [Bill] All of the apes except humans have a sense of smell capable of
> > telling the males when the females are fertile. This means that the ape can
> > pay little or no attention to the female except when necessary - when sex is
> > likely to result in a pregnancy. Humans on the other hand cannot tell by
> > smell alone when the proper time to mate is. Women have learned over the
> > millenea to hide their cycle from the males.
> >
> > [Hermit] No. The woman still releases pheromenes - at about the same level
> > as chimpanzees. It is the man (and the woman) who have traded the sense of
> > smell for the ability to think.
> >
> > [Bill] This means that in order to create a baby, to reproduce, the male
> > must entice the female to ramain with him throughout a the reproductive
> > years if they wish to reproduce.
> >
> > [Hermit] If 100 averagely fertile women mate randomly with averagely fertile
> > men over a one year period at average rates [3x per week below age 40], but
> > without using contraceptives, then about 20/100 women will become pregnant.
> >
> > [Hermit] If, in the course of a serious overnight relationship, you fuck
> > under the same circumstances (as too many US kids do), it seems that the
> > probability is a lot higher (as is the probability of catching something
> > else simultaneously - which also might explain the 25% STD rate in the under
> > 25).
> >
> > [Bill] So - it is in part a woman's deception that puts the males in a
> > position of choosing to remain with them - or risk their reproductive
> > future.
> >
> > [Hermit] Given the above, I have to say it is an elegant theory, but it does
> > not match all the known facts.
> >
> > [Bill] Certainly there are other arguments - but I thought this one might
> > help
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Hermit
> >
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