From: Mermaid . (britannica@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 07 2002 - 08:18:40 MST
[Kalkor]After watching this thread for a while, I get the impression that
Mermaid is discussing the mnemonic values of the mathematical instruction
contained in the vedas... whereas Hermit and Kirk are debating the validity
or even existence (verifiable) of some sort of mystic pattern in the vedas?
Is this not a guava vs corn arguement?
[Mermaid]I have never heard of Vedic Mathematics before this thread began. I
do not have any claim. I ventured out to find any sources I could find and I
published them ALL in my replies to back up my opinion why its mnemonic and
not some sort of mystical mumbo jumbo. When I say why I believe its
Mneumonic, Hermit or anyone else who is questiong my decision KNOWS how I
came to that decision. They know where to go and check for counter argument
because I have published along with my responses all the online references I
could find.
[Mermaid]Hermit, on the other hand, has read 'a bit' of the 'sylabbus' of
MUM. We dont know which part, what pages, what content etc. We dont know WHY
he believes its on the same line as the Bible Code or the Moby Dick Code. I
do not purchase second hand knowledge and conclusions.
[Mermaid]As far as Kirk is concerned, he has obviously fallen hook, line and
sinker to Hermit's dishonest debating tactics directed at Yash and more
recently at me. As far as I read it, Hermit only really meant that the Vedic
Code lets the person believe what he wants to believe like the Bible Code.
But he mentions it only once. In the subsequent discussions, he combines the
book with religion to give the impression that it is a pseudo religious
scientific piece of garbage. In a group which is predominantly atheistic and
anti-belief, defining something on religious line will instantly attract
negative reviews. But with his rather skilful manipulation of words he has
gotten Kirk to believe that this is a steganography issue. I do not know if
its Kirk's deficiency or if its Hermit's malice.
[Kalkor]I have yet to see any point-counterpoint embedded within the
flameage ;-} you're argueing separate issues, missing each others' points
entirely, but unable to step back and say "is that person disagreeing or
digressing?"
[Mermaid]I dont think I am disagreeing with Hermit re the book at this point
of time. I am appalled with the way he wields his words..for example:
resorting to ad hominem by calling me a 'champion of
india'..anti-occidental..have I said ANYTHING anti-occidental at all in this
whole discussion? Playing the audience than investing in a open debate.
example: using 'us' instead of 'me', while presenting his pov...with this
tactic, the person who argues subconsciously includes the rest of the
mailing list into his corner..thereby creating the US vs HER atmosphere
...unfortuantely for Hermit..I am very very well aware of this particular
psychological ploy in informal debating circles. Too bad, it will not work
on me because I have nothing to lose in terms of PR. Good theorital trick,
but wrong assumption. Another example is how he constantly belittles the
person and digresses with insults to the point of no return. But as far as
Hermit is concerned, the biggest sin of all was what he did earlier on in
this discussion by dangling the friendship card. He has employed everything
in his arsenal.
[Mermaid]I have to step back at this point of time and ask myself why and
what am I doing by continuing to give validation to his words. And I have
nothing more to say.
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